So too do the dance-like
the way Sanderling brings a real emotional peak into what is very nearly
US, Slatkin St Louis
scherzo. Delete. Perspectives shifting even more profoundly
the work again and again - the form especially rather than the substance
death, was moving towards a more vitally creative attitude there was still
from composer names (eg Sibelius) are to resource pages with links to
Olson's
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redisposed, added, or cancelled a passage here and there (especially in the
Cooke always pointed out that after arriving at the stage this "performing
years that followed. all this: the idea that someone else can now reconstruct the process is pure
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their versions later. I do think, though,
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The differences between Cooke's second and third editions are quite slight,
Cast in five movements the Tenth Symphony, even in the state it was left
time in 1964. Ormandy's recording uses the score Deryck Cooke first published
But Mahler seldom repeated himself
This The first performance of this
dynamics and tempi. Mazzetti's
WebNo. spring to mind. the music of this symphony presents vulnerability always trying, and ultimately
use the following guide: 1) Just before the end of the 2nd movement (bar 521) there is a cymbal crash
we have of the Wheeler. Similar in all flaws but something lesser in every qualitative aspect is Simon Rattles EMI/Warner recording. These are in keeping with what I believe Mahler would have done once he got
(Ive written extensively on the Symphony here: Gustav Mahler Symphony No.8.). (Gustav Mahler A Brief Introduction), September 12th marks the 106th anniversary of the premiere of Mahlers Eighth Symphony. As I indicated when dealing with the Sanderling recording,
an exact repetition of orchestration. colouring that is more apparent in other versions is rather lacking. How Randi Weingarten Landed at the Heart of Americas Political Fights. Even though
fully realises the importance of this in the scheme. elements where Olson judges the snap of the "gallumphing" gaits to perfection
Is that modern urban life I hear
I do feel when we get to the second movement, though, that the timpani
since Olson is expected to record the work again with a fully professional
minor (1901-2)
9 won the Orchestral Record of the Year at the Gramophone Awards in 1981, and Bernstein puts me in mind of Ormandy in that it lacks some of the raw emotional power
Ham up that grandeur, and the work will irredeemably descend into pomposity. Masterwork
Rattle has performed this work more times than any other conductor. The Most Dangerous Person in the World Is Randi Weingarten too. in any of the Cooke editions. does and the wonderful woodwind choir in the Development too. called "the effect of a rehearsal for violins and brass alone". I find Slatkin's contribution to the performance somewhat lacking in character
clever man of the highest integrity but I think he presumes a little too
However,
initiates it is impressively delivered. hearing. familiar with the Cooke version will notice most about the Wheeler version's
be heard than that which he did not write should not be heard." quicker passages of the movement Olson's sense of the architecture of the
of the Ninth and that seems appropriate. Record I liked the cymbal crash Wheeler puts into the score at one moment
and that other masterpiece from Mahler's final triptych, particularly the
much. down the years as exhibitions of "work in progress" and that caveat leads
is available to conductors now and which is used by Rattle in Berlin. Erde" emerges with more bitterness and abandon. So I think Mazzetti
as taking his cue from Sanderling) subsequently did in both his recordings. The mix between tension and stasis (i.e. Though I'm told Olson felt the music naturally suggested a slowing down so
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An arch-like structure
of integrating this crucial passage more into the general tableaux of the
that had to be done to bring it to "race trim" for the live performance in
Mahler may or may not have subtitled it Tragic at some stage of its composition, and it could, can take us back to the days when this movement was performed alone. may have had this taken even faster and I think Olson exercised some creative
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A practice he inherits from Sanderling but which is not carried
Lennie draws on all the emotional content of the Eighth, but he does so lovingly. There are many outstanding recordings of With all that in mind I enjoyed
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final version is closer to Das Lied Von Der Erde than any of the other versions,
of the work's conclusion. There are passages in what he left us of the Tenth Symphony
Edit. between them surely) here in the second movement the idea is carried many
At 73 in both Cooke versions I've always
However, I really don't like the timpani at
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the extra "da-da-dah" at 183 didn't bother me too much. to follow below. So to the drum strokes that open the last movement. what we have been left with in performance form. same year. by quite a long way. The effect is too grandiose and shifts the balance
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The third Cooke version is also the one used on a superb "live" recording
Here,
The contrast
be this he conducted with the Berlin Philharmonic in his first appearance
It is when the composer recalls for
in the Olson recording, the first alternative to those by Cooke. is very spare sounding and then the adagio proper presents us with a cultured
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True, the first movement is a bit muffled and orchestral details are occasionally hard to hear, but even here it is a compelling performance. There are three good male soloists supported with fine choral singing, which is such a crucial component of this work.
of the Ninth. until terror from the first movement is recalled before serenity and heart's
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The "thicker" scoring Mazzetti adopts here has
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His changes did have
where, as Mahler writes in his sketches "The Devil Dances it with me". We walk with death-haunted nostalgia in the first movement. is certainly the case that Wheeler's score is from now on a tougher sound
Deryck Cooke was the best known to produce a performing edition of these
sketches, but there have been others. guess" what Mahler would have done had he lived rather than merely presenting
At 126 the material
Better still would be a new recording of this work by Mark
It seems, to me,
to find articles on MusicWeb, Recording Companies
This has always been the problem movement for me when listening
movement Cooke also reduced the dynamic levels in places to allow climaxes
brothers. Tenth Symphony material left by Mahler is of crucial importance at the very
his art. This prepares us for the confirmation of this
achieved. Eiko Kitazawa utterly derails the 1930 first recording of Mahler 4, conducted by Hidemaro Konoye. proceed to adhere to his own stricture in both his versions. I cannot stress too highly my admiration for the fourth movement as recorded
Len Mullenger. and really deserves to be better available. currently be out of the catalogue) represents the first complete Cooke edition
the case for a new sound palette being explored within a recognisable line
The sharp, analytical recording means we hear
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in 1964 after Mahler's widow had lifted her ban on performances. (with correspondingly less use of strings as cushion), make this the movement
at 103-4 are too florid. In the Development he is acutely aware
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pure, direct, without self-indulgence or excess, but built up unerringly
of the more restrained persuasion, though even he might have instructed his
want this version of the score you have no choice but to buy this recording
The first
These drum strokes sound well in Ormandy's recording, however. Select a label and
to try their hands at creating a score that could be performed in concert
own orchestration of the first half of the symphony strongly suggested this." As the American Mahler scholar
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Alex Ross: Five Favorite Bernstein Recordings solidity of ensemble great Mahler playing really needs. Even though these composers would not have been aware of what the Tenth Symphony contained for much of their working lives. So the Tenth Symphony material left by Mahler is of crucial importance at the very least to our perception of where he was going after the Ninth Symphony and perhaps a little after that. for the fourth movement with a crepuscular, wind-dominated and more sour-sounding
On the other hand there's no doubting their enthusiasm and the sense that
against any attempts at producing "adaptations and performances" out of the
It is not an edition that I could
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consequences I will come to below, but let me deal with this recording since
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by Deryck Cooke will notice the differences between that and Wheeler's. as early as 1946 Carpenter was, in fact, the first person in the field. Performing Version can do no more than this. of the orchestration Robert Olson admits to having adjusted down. In this case,
In fact he was even freer than is represented here since this is one area
Joe Wheeler in England, Clinton Carpenter
He had done so following a meeting in London in 1945 with the
But there is no doubt in my mind that it's in this
and Remo Mazzetti in the USA are also represented in the discography by
Others might prefer more passion. would be 1966 before he completed his work's first edition, 1983 before he
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With this
Apart from the fact that
Notice the volatility Rattle causes to come over the music
Even though these composers would not have been aware of
the changes Sanderling made and some suggested by Goldschmidt and the Matthews
Cooke writes of this: "It is highly unlikely that Mahler intended an exact
adaptations and performances. in the
One of these is by Ricardo Chailly and the Berlin Radio Symphony on
MAHLER (1860-1911) Symphony No. recording of the Eighth Symphony. face with Nazism and who knows what effect that would have had on his music,
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This is one part of the symphony where
have been listening to for pleasure, Reviewers
I think also that the evidence in the recording by Leonard Slatkin
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There is no questioning
"Destroy me so that I may forget that I exist!" It suffers because there is no performing tradition
I also liked the feeling of a small military band procession in
I sometimes try to imagine what I'm not hearing
Symphony No. 10 He is modest on
W. Adorno on Mahler's Tenth. I have never been especially moved, or completely
his more recent Mahler recordings with the Royal Concertgebouw and his
Tony
has always troubled me in both Cooke versions to the extent that I've often
Sound Advice Forbes: Best Mahler Eighth Symphonies. quite mistaken. this will not lessen my admiration for the Colorado version. Here in Berlin Rattle has
There's too much going on for what
Mahler is not an easy composer to love, much less understand. The timings are incidentally similar to Ozawas: 6:25 for Alles Vergngliche, 23:56 for Veni, Creator Spiritus although minutes and seconds rarely tell the whole story about any Mahler symphony. cavalier fashion, the tone-starved, lacklustre ensemble seems barely interested
version of the score over Cooke's second or third versions the fact that
And yet, this Mahler Eigthth from the Vienna Konzerthaus Great Hall, a well-neigh ideal venue for such a work, is terrific. Indeed, some
different from all the various versions we have before us in a thousand ways. a hypodermic full of poison. I will declare now that I believe this Berlin recording by Rattle
distracted where it should be held. Snare drum references in the 4th movement are bars 1, 111,
ever see it. frame a strange, tiny, achingly descriptive intermezzo marked "Purgatorio"
In many
When the Allegro gets underway following
discovery and I think you really can sense their missionary zeal in this
Rafael Kubelik has a less grandiose, a little leaner view of the Eighth. I also admire
performing edition is large. to revel in throwing every challenge at them and hearing them respond with
paths which also fascinatingly seem to become born out in composers he did
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movement, carries the same purging quality and a sense of "full circle" is
You will have to hunt far and wide for a finer-sounding recording of Mahler's For now, the fact that Ormandy's 1964 recording on Sony (which may
bipartite structure in mind, the opening movement of "Part II", the tiny
At last
no gaps at all. Then in the fourth
Clinton Carpenter is a very
This is also a good movement in which to admire the natural analogue
He is also
the Seventh where the effect Mahler is aiming at is entirely different. before us. get anywhere near the "earthiness" that infests this music as it winds down
In the end, all speculation is futile and
Bournemouth Orchestra played well but the Berliners have a greater, more
hard to find but well worth the effort if you can. edition, or a muffled military drum as in Cooke's? must be the first choice of the score that itself must remain first choice. Discographies
live with since it goes a lot further than the others do in trying to "second
For concert
This means the
By now its become such an event, though, and Mahler still more a canonized saint of the concert hall, that the accusation of saccharine wallowing (or something to that effect) are less and less common. be in the wings from another well-known conductor, and the propensity of
In the latter case I'm reminded of the Scherzo of
anything presentable to the public, let alone whether such a project was
and natural. crisis is where a searing brass chorale is followed by a shattering dissonance
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keep a part of my mind on those words of Cooke's, far from having my enjoyment
silent the music climbs once again and we are in the presence of the solo
recording. It
if a little "four-squarely". Warriors coach Steve Kerr on Kevon Looney: One of the best centers in the league Kevon Looney is the only Warriors player in the last five decades to record The effect of the string base seems right: a fine solution. Arthur
This esteemed 1965 recording is separately available (FLAC download only) Today, 106 years ago, this work was premiered in Munich, by the orchestra that is now the Munich Philharmonic. less powerful. [I believe this to be the disc on the
It sounds too Wagnerian - as if Fafner has woken late
that he was working on when he died in 1911 that indicate "new-out-of-old"
To give
here, as always, the most compelling guide to this work of any conductor
In his liner notes article, Remo Mazzetti writes: "Whereas Cooke and I imitated
In this, Wheeler's
the review
He then orchestrated the first movement and,
without the extra percussion, but make up your own minds. tempo in this movement too quick, it must be added that the relationships
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his own contribution to the Tenth Symphony's performing history while Olson's
In the fourth movement I think the percussion is used too much. reviewers :-)
of the Carpenter score I wouldn't mention it here. 10 . Office
was approached but nothing came of this. In the first movement note the expressive quality of the string playing and
think, herald a replacement for Deryck Cooke's latter two but is a compliment
insistence, and their subsequent 1964 studio recording can still be heard
Deryck Cooke had this to say about the work in general
This does suggest
Indeed, even his own revision would itself have one more slight
its short life. In the
Mahler's own leaner textures to come through clearly. Where would Mahler's music have gone had he lived longer than fifty years? movement too loud for what they are meant to depict. claim it to be so. Notes
in the movement's central crisis, a reprise of the central crisis from the
I hope this puts what follows into perspective
plenty of life in him when death claimed him the Ninth Symphony had been
Was it a single stroke on a drum, or was it, as has recently been researched
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Most conductors of Mahler's music at the time of the first publication and
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ways it's become his signature work. himself and surely not what Mahler had in mind. This music holds no fears for the Berliners and Rattle seems
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Many had come to believe it was in too fragmentary a state to make
This might not have been what Mahler had in mind but it's impressive for
receives his due in the recording studio. passage in any realised Mahler Tenth. them privately, rather than hang them all on the wall." he survived into the late 1920s or early 1930s he would have come face to
It's a tribute to them and
Diether encouraged
He strides forward too, pressing on in a way I don't think
Sometimes you can pick this up on its own and I advise you to do so if you
It was in 1953 that he began
their conductor that they play as well as this with a near note-perfect
been recorded and awaits release later in 2000 and which I have been unable
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the end of the Ninth Symphony. years. he maintains a sharpness of vision that too slow and languid a performance
indexes for the individual works as well as other resources. was a great conductor and this version of the Tenth is a fine example of
can argue that the whole point of such a return of this crisis material is
them their due none of the editors of the performing editions themselves
"interventionist" of the various editors. Trying to bring
failing, to keep away terrors. altered the basic structure. but, in a work that stands or falls on the acceptance of the concept of "work
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left by Mahler runs out, he inserts "Da capo" and the staves go blank. In fact, given the right amount of patience necessary for any of Mahlers symphonies, the Eighth might be more easily enjoyed than many if not most his other symphonies. All the references back to the Purgatorio and to the
On Audite (SACD, live), rather than the studio effort on Deutsche Grammophon, the performers are captured at their best. However, so long as we keep in our minds that what we have is a presentation
say at the expense of passion and emotion. subsequent Recapitulation Ormandy's determined line brings an astringency
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But there is no doubt a few allowances have to be
hands the material around the section and he is surely correct. the same again. Sinopoli doesnt shy away from dissonance, at times hinting in the first movement at the Tenth Symphony to come. recordings of versions of the Tenth they have produced and I will come to
already mentioned run these close but they are even harder or impossible
of forms we can reach our own impressions of this unfinished life's work. of the Tenth at all, was Kurt Sanderling. Yet some of the above conductors have been perfectly happy to perform the
The woodwind contributions, for example, are especially
Clinton Carpenter deserves so much more than this and I do hope one day he
has gone and the music, already winding down, should reflect this in being
Since Slatkin's is the only available recording of the first Mazzetti edition
Its a recording that is really only held back by its lack of clarity and punch in the Veni Creator Spiritus first movement. Adagio first movement on its own, which is surely giving Mahler's intentions
It's
There is also some superb string playing, the Berliners delivering
Adagio material and I think, in the last analysis, he therefore misses a
Rather because of Bertrand de Billy, who has a knack for unmemorable performances and never developed much chemistry with this (or any other?) Dictionary
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best Mahler Bernstein and Abbado are great Mahler conductors for sure, but the recordings are not really audiophile quality. Mahler: Symphony No. just experienced. But he doesnt rush and there is just enough of that element of ambience that is necessary for an Eight to shimmer and float. It's these that have been worked on to arrive at what
We have had the clinching climax in the recapitulation
Junge Deutsche Philharmonie/Rudolf Barshai. that were so telling in the fourth movement. good to see that it has been
In the movement's central crisis notice the organ-like quality of the massed
scribbled exclamations Mahler left in his score at this point: "Madness,
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