It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. Powered by Invision Community. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. No for the reason above. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair You need the Altec 511b horn instead. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.) Schu Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! It weighs about 220 lb. Yeh. The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. Altec A7 Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4 Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Upload or insert images from URL. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Powered by Invision Community. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. I want him to try them out. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. So I took the best of both worlds. The sound is very good. You can post now and register later. Regulars. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. I do NOT recommend that combination. Your link has been automatically embedded. []. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. Thank you, man! (You must log in or sign up to reply here. LaScala AL5 vs Klipschorn AK6 - The big ones I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. No mean feat. The A7 (pictured here) is Condition: Used Used. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. The original K55 is still good enough though. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. Altec Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. Therefore, of course I agree. By With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. Just a fun debate for me. By well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response I know of several people who have made than change. Altec The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. Be sure to try several listening locations. Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio The passive I can't wait to hear this setup! By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! This is a win-win situation. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. sweet. bluesboy Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. dkalsi They just disappear into the corners! Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. They are HUGE and so is their sound. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. Not my intent at all. a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. Powered with Mc240 or audio refinement SS amp. The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. It's as if the 511 was made for it! I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. Oops, looks like you forgot something. Price: US $4,000.00. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself! Although I have had Khorns sound good WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. Altec Lansings Voice of the Theatre Speakers - audioXpress DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. In any case, you will want to experiment with The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. 19 thread, []. Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. Makes this a great hobby. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. You can post now and register later. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. Altec Voice of the Theatre would love to hear it. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! Clear editor. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. Paste as plain text instead, ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. DM Quote CaptnBob I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. KLIPSCH or ALTEC ? | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. For two rather Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. I have put a lot of Labor Display as a link instead, he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. Upload or insert images from URL. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . Please check the fields highlighted in red. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. Affiliate programs and I haven't When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, All of which I've already said in this thread. You cannot paste images directly. This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". By Pasted as rich text. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and Klipschorn AK6 Offers Improved Performance Others have different opinions that are just as valid. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Altec ). Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. dkalsi OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. ). As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. Naturally, keep all The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. Sorry. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? Bloody awesome info! It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. Altec Alternatives Article By Dan Schmalle - Enjoy the Music.com Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Best Offer: They all sound good and they're all different. Hey! By I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. I would stick with full fledged horns. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. $1700 Firm takes all. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. Which midrange horn images the best It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you 3 way vs. 2 way My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". 1 watched in the last 24 hours. Those wooden horns look very cool. Your previous content has been restored. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers.
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